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Co-founder The Liberators & Columinity: a product that helps teams improve based on scientific insights. 🚀

Christiaan Verwijs and I are currently writing the 9th blog post in the Scrum myth series. Upcoming Monday we'll publish the myth "The Scrum Master is a junior Agile Coach".  The reality however is that most Agile Coaches are junior Scrum Masters.  Mostly busy with "seagull change management": fly in, make lots of noise, shit on everything and then fly off again leaving a big mess behind. While it's definitely not our idea to bash Agile Coaches, we think Scrum Masters are in a better position to make some positive impact in organisation (together with some real Agile Coaches).  My assumption is that this article will trigger some comments. I'll probably take some time off to respond to everyone.  If you're interested in the 9th Scrum myth, stay tuned, we'll publish it upcoming Monday. 

Barry Overeem

Co-founder The Liberators & Columinity: a product that helps teams improve based on scientific insights. 🚀

6y

As promised we've published the blog post this Monday, see: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/myth-8-scrum-master-junior-agile-coach-barry-overeem/

Pete Morris, PMP, PMI-ACP

Agile Transformation Consultant

6y

The Agile team must be trained at project inception and coached by a knowledgeable advocate to help guide them through the process. It is important to set aside funding during the early acquisition stages for initial and ongoing training and support. Team formation typically follows the stages of Forming, Storming, Norming, and Performing associated with the project management activities Directing, Coaching, Supporting and Delegating. Mature Agile teams are empowered with all the traits of a real team and are both self-organizing and self-directing.

Patrik Varga

Tech Lead & Staff Software Engineer

6y

The reality however is that most "Agile Coaches" are not even junior Scrum Masters nor junior Agile Coaches AND that most "Scrum Masters" are not even junior Agile Coaches nor junior Scrum Masters. Pure old title inflation, that is.

How many of you would still have an opinion on such posts if you win a 10 million USD lottery?

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Mike Spieker (ENFP)

Realizing change - Agile | Leadership | Transition | Practical | Coaching

6y

Jasper Doornbos I like! 😁 so True

I'm not sure if that myth actually lends itself to any proper conclusion. You've already made the distinction between fake and real agile coaches.

Adrian Lander -Agile Practitioner, Coach, Board Advisor, Author

Independent Professional-, Agile & Senior Management Coach | Trusted Advisor | Founder & Co-Author Agnostic Agile (NPO) | Co-Founder & Co-Author Agile 2 | Change Catalyst | SW Developer | 15K+

6y

(...) so we are at <4% :) And have eliminated the hardest working man in agile and the story teller :) I do not believe in certifying coaches in a three day bootcamp, but the agile coaching institute, now Accenture, did one thing well: the agile coaching competency diagram. It shows the angles an agile coach can journey on. And I believe we should learn in different directions. After 20+ years of coaching, and Lean, RAD and agile, and working with teams, middle management and senior management on many agile transformations across industries, I do think I have my preferences and add most value in certain places. Same time, I do master the deeper technical level of CI and TDD / BDD / SBE, as a developer. I can actually have a meaningful conversation with developers that helps them :) Then there is deepness. I do not ask for 20+ years, but hey can one make that personal journey in less than 5 or even 10 years? Why do I see so many "agile coaches" agitate against waterfall who have never been in the trenches? Talk about what you truly experienced, not copy cat hearsay.

Adrian Lander -Agile Practitioner, Coach, Board Advisor, Author

Independent Professional-, Agile & Senior Management Coach | Trusted Advisor | Founder & Co-Author Agnostic Agile (NPO) | Co-Founder & Co-Author Agile 2 | Change Catalyst | SW Developer | 15K+

6y

Agile coach is a hot title. I have literally seen quite a few people jump from no agile experience to an agile coach self-acclaimed title or even a company position as such. Same happens with Scrum Masters, by the way. I think this myth is a bit different. Surely, agile needs to be wider than Scrum. I expect from an agile coach a mastery level of several frameworks, both at team level and multi-team level, so scaled. So, someone only mastering Scrum, and Nexus, for me is not an agile coach. Such a person is at most a Scrum coach - provided they actually understand coaching. They can not provide a client options. This probably eliminates 80% of "agile coaches". Then there is the term coach in agile coach. It actually stands for something. Anyone who has seriously invested in and mastered an ICF - International Coaching Federation - certification and thus went through a likely 6 months programme, realises that while you can call yourself a coach this does not have much ground, without a thorough understanding of what coaching actually is. Out of the remaining 20%, this probably eliminates 80%.

Dave Boere

Owner Trivorto l Change Leader l Strategic Management Consultant I Trusted Advisor I Scaled Agile Expert I SPC

6y

If the Agile coach is a seagull, what is the scrumtrainer in this story? 😉

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Jeroen Kooistra

AgiLean lead voor gemeente Rotterdam

6y

Agile coaches are also in companies, schools, ngo's and so on and they never saw a Scrum Master.

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